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Professor Sand demonstrates that there are some Jews who have not fallen for the "God's Chosen" foolishness.
I have tried to differentiate between Jews of religion, race or heritage (because this seems to be the various avenues they use for themselves). It is difficult (a moving target, as it were), because if one studies any portion of the Talmud, one cannot come to any other conclusion that as a religion, Talmudic Judaism is one of the most racist, hedonistic (and evil) "religions" available. I suppose this is why most people don't really know anything about the Talmud, for if Christians actually knew what it teaches, most would have a very hard time agreeing with the Zionists that use that religion to foster hatred and genocide against anyone and everyone NOT Jewish.
I read the following linked article today and it touches upon this issue, by explaining a bit of what Paul meant when he spoke of the Logos. Understanding what this is (which is truly the real Christian belief, imo) and living as such doesn't necessarily make a Jew Christian (or anyone a Christian, for that matter), but it is a frame of mind intent on peace and harmony without some crazy-assed notion that Jews are "The Elect" or something any more special than, say, me.
http://www.darkmoon.me/2012/who-is-the-real-enemy-by-e-michael-jones/
Suzan, Are you Jewish? And what does that mean to you, if you are? You have never come off as "superior" to anyone that I have ever seen at your or my blog. So, you must understand the Logos.
Or am I way off base?
You're a little bit off base, my friend, as I am an atheist.
I've studied the available history on this and think of all the "Bible" history as fiction.
That doesn't mean that I denigrate anyone else's beliefs. I am also a democrat - a social democrat in the old school definition, of course.
People love to denigrate atheists for some reason but I've always felt this way (even though reared in the southern fundamentalist (Methodist) tradition of MYF and church three times a week when young) and have been humbled by the knowledge and power that it imparts to one's daily moral choices.
We may disagree, but I agree to let you (the formal you, of course) disagree.
And I agree to continue reading and studying in order to try to understand our world better and how we can help to improve it and others.
Love you!
S
P.S. I was reared with many Jewish friends (also blacks!) so that may have helped to mold me also.
The big problem was reading the Bible three times in the 2nd grade for clarity (hint, there was none) and then reading through the Colliers Encyclopedia as quickly as I could after my parents bought them for us when I was in the 4th grade.
Education. It's a religion killer.
Just my humble opinion, of course.
No snark intended.
Suzan,
Apparently, you consider being Jewish strictly as a religion. The problem is that I know self proclaimed Jews that also claim to be atheist (Kelso Nuts from my blog was one). He had many friends on Facebook that made the same claim.
So, is being Jewish a religion? Is it a race? Is it some type of heritage?
It obviously can be a religion. But if anyone other than a Jew looks into what makes it a religion, they can see thru the Jewish Holy Books that these books (and religion) are used to teach (brainwash) these people into believing they are "God's Chosen" and superior to us goyim. It is plainly evident that this is their shtick.
Are they a "race"? I can't see how, since many look like me, but there are also black African Jews, not to mention the Semites (of which I don't know a single Semite Jew). They would be brown and look much like the Arabs from Palestine.
So, is it a "heritage"? Maybe, except that they all come from vastly different places and have a variety of differing heritages from whatever homeland their ancestors came from.
I didn't really think you were Jewish. If the picture is you, then you don't look like any Jew I have ever met (this doesn't mean anything, really). You certainly aren't Semite or black.
My whole point is that even with some good folk found within this mish-mash of people that call themselves Jewish, there is no real consensus.
But I do know where the superiority issues come from and that is their Holy Books (The Torah and even worse, the Talmud).
Take a little time studying them (I suspect you are somewhat familiar with the Torah, since you have read the Bible). But take time to read some of the Talmud garbage and see if I am off base.
I never knew a Jew until adulthood. However, I grew up with many blacks and were close friends (still am) with several.
If I am a racist, none of them would ever claim it.
Good points all, B. And, yes, that's me, an earlier me, an unevolved me, a blank slate me, a long-haired, young me.
Thanks so much for your comments. It always means a lot to me to hear what you're thinking.
Like my now-departed friend, Christopher Hitchens (and you would have loved to have talked with him on these and many other subjects), before he discovered a hidden ancestral line of Jews from an unknown grandmother said, "Sometimes I've wished that I had some Jewish blood just so I could claim a bond with all those people in more than an intellecual fashion."
So, no Jewish blood here to speak of that I know.
When I was a little girl I was fascinated by genealogy and haranged all of my greatgrands for their data. What I learned was all of them were born in this country, most of them in South Carolina (which I found unbelievable as I was looking for some American Indian connections at that time and felt sure that I was related to Pocohontas . . . .).
I had no idea at that time (and neither did most of them) that all of my families in my ancestral line were related to settlers in the 17th century migration from England, Ireland, Scotland, and especially Wales. My original paternal greatgrandfather back about 17 generations ago (kidding!) was on the manifest of the second ship to land at Jamestown. His family settled in Virginia from 1608-1750 before needing "elbow room" and helping to settle South Carolina.
I did have a grandfather with a suspicious last name (sounded like it might be Jewish to me), but when I brought it up at a family reunion, I was shushed all round by those cracker relatives who think Jew is a dirty word still! And my census/land records search never located him in any of the 18th century data so I'm still wondering.
As to the term Jewish indicaing a race, we know that race is a fictionalized construct today with no meaning at all outside of DNA, which you can't make a cogent argument for anyway. It's a heritage thing as far as my cultural studies indicated and you can find all types of Jews who celebrate the high holidays because they are the great cultural identifier. I've celebrated Seder/Passover, Rosh Hashanah, etc., most of my adult life with friends. I thought about marrying a Jewish man twice in my life and started instruction for conversion but never completed it or remarried anyone.
I have read and studied both the Talmud and Torah and thought at the time that they both shared with the Christian Bible the same fallacy: they are works of fiction arising from primitive tribal beliefs.
One of my favorite courses in undergrad school (and I thought about pursuing a Middle Eastern concentration then because it was so much fun) was Religion 31: Culture of the Near East, where my prof was born in Iraq to a father from Iran and a mother who was a Jew. He was probably one of the smartest men I ever studied under, making each assignment a dream come true, so to speak. And, he was an atheist, natch.
I can remember some of the enthralling books, which I never sold and are in storage somewhere just awaiting my eventual revisitation and rereading: History Begins at Sumer, The Sumerians, The Babylonians, The Epic of Gilgamesh, A History of the Ancient Near East, Ancient Mesopotamians.
There is a new book out you might want to glance at now and then: Myths from Mesopotamia: the Creation, the Flood, Gilgamesh, and Others.
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